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Hello Deviants,
So I've been M.I.A due to college but I am now back. I see we have a lot of new members, welcome to all of you. Take a minute to introduce yourself in the Introduction Thread! Post about your favorite serial killer or just chat with other members.
Enjoy
~Moloko
Lawrence Sigmund Bittaker and Roy Lewis Norris kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered five young women over a period of five months in the state of California, USA, in 1979.
Shortly after his birth, Lawerence was adopted by Mr. and Mrs. George Bittaker. George worked in aircraft factories, which required the family to move often, from Pennsylvania to Florida to Ohio and lastly to California.
Bittaker, who had a tested I.Q. of 138, dropped out of high school in 1957, after several run-ins with juvenile authorities and police. Shortly thereafter he was picked up for car theft, leaving the scene of a hit-and-run accident, and evading arrest. He was imprisoned in the California Youth Authority until he was 19.
The FBI arrested Bittaker in Louisiana several days after his release for violating the Interstate Motor Vehicle Theft Act. Convicted in August 1959, he was sentenced to 18 months in an Oklahoma federal reformatory. His behavior there soon got him transferred to a Missouri medical center. He was released after serving six months of his sentence.
In December 1960 he was arrested in Los Angeles, and in May 1961 was sentenced to 1-15 years in a state prison. A psychiatric evaluation determined Bittaker to be paranoid and borderline psychotic, with little control over his impulses. Despite these findings, he was released in 1963.
He was picked up two months later for parole violation and suspected robbery, and again in October 1964. While in prison he was again given a psychiatric evaluation, and again determined to be borderline psychotic.
In July 1967 he was arrested and convicted of theft and leaving a hit-and-run accident. He was sentenced to five years, but was released in April 1970. However, in March 1971 he was picked up for burglary and parole violation. He was sentenced to six months to 15 years in October. He served only three years of that sentence.
He was arrested again when he stabbed a supermarket employee in the parking lot of the business. Bittaker had stuffed a steak down his pants and the employee had followed him outside and tried to stop him. The man survived and Bittaker was convicted of attempted murder. While in prison at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, he met Norris.
In 1976 Bittaker was hired as the manager for the Holiday Theater in the Reseda area of the San Fernando Valley. Bittaker had a rough demeanor, hot temper, and some employees, as it turns out, were right about being cautious of him.
He was given another psychiatric evaluation, which rejected the borderline psychotic finding, saying instead that he was a classic sociopath. Another psychiatrist called Bittaker a sophisticated psychopath. Despite the psychiatrists' warnings, he was released in November 1978 and moved to Los Angeles.
Roy Norris At 17, Norris dropped out of school and joined the Navy. He spent most of his service stationed in San Diego, and served four months in Vietnam. He saw no combat while there.
Back in San Diego, Norris was arrested on November 1969 for attempted rape. Three months later, out on bail before his trial, he was arrested again. He had tried to attack a woman in her home. Strangely enough, police arrived before he could harm her. At this point Norris was discharged from the Navy for psychological problems.
Still out on bail, in May 1970 he attacked a female student on the San Diego State University campus. He had jumped the woman from behind, hit her on the head with a rock, then slammed her head several times on the concrete. The woman survived, so Norris was only charged with assault with a deadly weapon. He was sent to Atascadero State Hospital as a sex offender and spent five years there. When released he was considered no further danger to others.
Three months after his release Norris attacked and raped a 27-year-old woman. Convicted of forcible rape, he was sent to the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo. While there he met and befriended Bittaker. Norris claims Bittaker saved his life twice in prison, which bound him to Bittaker according to the "prisoner's code".
Norris was released on January 15, 1979 and moved in with his mother in Los Angeles. Bittaker contacted Norris and they continued their prison friendship on the outside.
Murders
Bittaker and Norris hatched a plan to rape and kill local girls. Bittaker bought a 1977 GMC cargo van, which they came to call 'Murder Mack', because it had no side windows in the back and a large passenger side sliding door. From February to June 1979, they gave their plan a test run. They drove along the Pacific Coast Highway, stopped at beaches, talked to girls and took their pictures. When arrested police found close to 500 pictures among Bittaker's possessions.
During June 24, 1979 they claimed their first real victim, 16-year-old Cindy Schaeffer. They picked her up near Redondo Beach, Norris forcing her into the van. He duct taped her mouth and bound her arms and legs. Bittaker drove the van to a fire road on San Gabriel Mountains out of sight of the highway. Both men raped the girl, and then Bittaker wrapped a straightened wire coat hanger around her neck. He tightened the wire with vise-grip pliers, strangling her to death. They wrapped her body in a plastic shower curtain and dumped it in a nearby canyon.
They picked up 18-year-old Andrea Hall hitchhiking on July 8. Norris hid in the back of the van and Bittaker talked her into the van. After she had gotten in Bittaker offered her a drink from a cooler in the back. When she went to the cooler Norris jumped her, bound her arms and legs, and taped her mouth. They took her to the fire road and raped her several times. Bittaker dragged her from the van, and Norris left to get beer. When he returned Andrea was gone and Bittaker was looking at Polaroid pictures of her. He had stabbed her with an ice pick in both ears and when she wouldn't die fast enough, strangled her. He threw her body over a cliff.
On September 3, while driving near Hermosa Beach, the pair spotted two girls on a bus stop bench and offered them a ride. Jackie Gilliam, 15, and Leah Lamp,13, accepted their offer. The girls became suspicious when Bittaker parked the van near a suburban tennis court. Leah went for the back door and Norris hit her in the head with a bat. A short scuffle broke out, but with Bittaker's help Norris subdued the teens and bound them both in the usual fashion. Bittaker then drove them to the fire road. They kept the girls alive for two days, raping and torturing them the whole time with a wire hanger and pliers. They even made an audio recording of the events. Eventually Bittaker stabbed Jackie in both ears with an ice pick. Like Andrea Hall she didn't die, and the men took turns strangling her until she died. Bittaker then strangled Leah while Norris hit her in the head with a sledgehammer seven times. They dumped the bodies over a cliff, the ice pick still in Jackie's head.
They kidnapped Shirley Sanders on September 30, macing her and forcing her into the van. Both raped her, but she escaped. Police had showed Shirley pictures of the men and she had identified the men as Lawrence and Roy.
They kidnapped 16-year-old Lynette Ledford on October 31, raping her and torturing her with a pair of pliers, while driving around Los Angeles instead of heading to their usual mountain spot. Again they tape recorded the whole thing, eventually strangling her with a wire hanger and pliers. Instead of tossing her body over a cliff, they left it on a random lawn in Hermosa Beach to see local reaction in the newspaper. The body was found the next day and caused quite a stir, being only days since the arrest of "Hillside Strangler" Angelo Buono.
Conflicting reports say Norris had been telling prison friend Jimmy Dalton all about the murders. Dalton thought the stories were lies until Ledford's body was found. He talked to his lawyer and they went to the Los Angeles Police Department with the information about Norris.
At the trial both Norris and Bittaker were charged with murder, kidnapping, forcible rape, sexual perversion and criminal conspiracy. Bittaker was convicted of rape, torture, kidnapping, and murder on February 17, 1981 and sentenced to death. As of February 2008, he is still on Death Row, where he still receives mail, which he signs using his nickname "Pliers" Bittaker. Norris was also sentenced, but was guaranteed not to serve a life sentence or be executed for his testimony against Bittaker. Norris will be eligible for parole in 2010
Bittaker: Say somethin girl, huh? (Sound). Huh. (Sound).
Ledford: What do you want me to say?
Bittaker Huh, huh. Say something girl. (Sound) Don't you hit me. Huh, huh.
Ledford: (Sound).
Bittaker: Say something girl. Huh.
Ledford: Ough. (Sound) (Scream)
Bittaker Say somethign. (Sound) C'mon you can scream louder than that can't you? (Sound) Huh. What's the matter, don't you like to scream? (Sound).
Ledford: (Scream) Oh no.
Bittaker: What's the matter, huh, you want to try again?
Ledford: (Scream) Oh no. Don't touch me, no.
Bittaker: Huh. You want to try again?
Ledford: On no, don't touch me, no don't touch me.
Bittaker: Want to try again?
Ledford: No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Bittaker: Roll over girl.
Ledford: No don't touch me.
Bittaker: Roll over.
Ledford: Don't touch me.
Bittaker: Start getting to work girl.
Ledford: Don't touch me.
Bittaker: Start getting to work girl.
Ledford: Don't touch me, dont touch me (Sound).
Bittaker: Get to work girl.
Ledford: Don't touch me.
Bittaker: Roll over, I'm not asking you I'm telling you!
Unknown Voice: You're hitting __________ You couldn't care less.
Bittaker: Roll over.
Ledford: (Sound).
Bittaker: C'mon, C'mon, C'mon
Male Voice: "Resale number"
Bittaker: What are you dong? What are you doing?
Ledford: Huh.
Bittaker: What are you doing?
Ledford: I'm not doing anything. I'm trying to do what you wanted me to do.
Bittaker: What did I want you to do?
Ledford: Suck on it.
Bittaker: Suck on what?
Ledford: This.
Bittaker: What is this?
Ledford: Your dick.
Bittaker: Yeh, say it.
Ledford: Your dick.
Bittaker: You're sucking on my dick?
Ledford: That's what you wanted me to do?
Bittaker: Is that what you're doing?
Ledford: Yes, I was.
Bittaker: Tell me.
Ledford: Yes.
Bittaker: Tell me what are you doing?
Ledford: I'm sucking on your dick.
Bittaker: Do you want to do it?
Ledford: You want me to? (Sound).
Bittaker: You want to girl? Do you want to suck my dick baby. Huh, huh, hey? Start answering me.
Ledford: Yes.
Bittaker: Tell me.
Ledford: Yes.
Bittaker: Beg me.
Ledford: Yes.
Bittaker: What, hey what do you want girl?
Ledford: I want to suck on your dick.
Bittaker: You don't sound like you really mean it.
Ledford: I do.
Bittaker: Suck on it then, c'mon start sucking on it. No matter what you can do squeeze hard you understand and if all else ___ if it hurts any time you want to scream, go ahead and scream.
Ledford: Oh no, scream.
Bittaker: Scream baby, scream some baby.
Ledford: I can't.
Bittaker: Scream some more baby. Come baby. Come on. Nobody is going to hurt you. Turn over and talk to me nice. Love me. You want nothing more in the world than to make me come. Huh.
Ledford: (Unintelligible). That's right.
Bittaker: Say it again baby. What do you want huh. What do you want.
Ledford: Your cock.
Bittaker: Where do you want it baby, huh?
Ledford: I want to hold it and squeeze it.
Bittaker: Why?
Ledford: It feels good cause you like it and I like it.
Bittaker: You want me to come baby.
Ledford: Oh yeah.
Bittaker: You want me to come, yeah, want me to come, tell me baby.
Ledford: Yeah.
Bittaker: Tell me.
Ledford: Yeah.
Bittaker: huh.
Ledford: Oh yeah.
Bittaker: Hey girl you want me to put a pair of pliers up your cunt.
Ledford: What?
Bittaker: You want to make me cum huh? you want to make me cum huh?
Ledford: (Scream)
Bittaker: Huh. Want to make me cum girl, huh?
Ledford: Oh yes (Scream)
Bittaker: Yes what?
Ledford: I want you to cum. Cum. (Scream). Come on.
Bittaker: Stop screaming at me, come on talk to me.
There have been many partners in crime such as the tag team from hell Lucas & Toole , Bianchi & Bourno etc but the team of Bittaker & Norris were pure geniuses at work , with the Murder Mack decked out as the ultimate killing machine( the van is actually in the Van hall of fame ! ) i loved there work so much , i gave it my avatar and id !
cbank
Posts : 3 Join date : 2011-10-22
Subject: Re: Murder mack Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:40 am
One of the most horrific serial murder killings were those of 2 predators b*ttakker and norris in California. The van they used for their murders was named "Murder Mac". The link at the bottom of the post recounts the horrors of this tragedy.
For the victims!! Lucinda "Cindy" Schaefer, age 16! Andrea Joy Hall, age 18! Jackie Gilliam, age 15! Jacqueline Lamp, age 13! Lynette Ledford, age, age 16!
~Moloko
